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Bene Biljana, o scusa…
Biljana??? Do you actually imply that I am Biljana Plavsic? That's the only 'political personality', having written a book on botany, with the name 'Biljana', that I could find.
If so, that's so stupid that I'm speechless...
Of course, I began to write my blog in 2006 when I was still in jail in Sweden, and, even if I now live in Belgrade, I also live in France, as shown by my French IP (presently
83.205.159.158, as the forum moderators can confirm I suppose). Too bad that I'll soon have to run from France:
http://iwpr.net/report-news/civil-actions-...-bosnia-victims :-)))
But are you sure that I'm not rather Blagoje Govedarica, or Zilka Kunjundzic-Vejzagic? It seems that I have already impersonated both...
Pablito, either you are terribly credulous, and you swallowed lies that someone told you, without even trying to verify; or you are yourself a liar, who perfectly knows that I'm not Plavsic, and who tries to discredit me in a very dishonest way. Whatever the case, let's go for one more round: what about
evidence? I'm beginning to think that, for a scientist, you have a very strong propension to affirm things, without giving any evidence...
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No, non ho mai visto le analisi al Politecnico di Torino in originale e se tu leggi con cura i miei articoli non le cito mai.
Le analisi di Torino sono state eseguite da un soggetto privato che non è la Fondazione e che non le ha mai messe a disposizione del pubblico. Le ha pagate e se l’è tenute. Hanno scritto un articolo sulla loro rivista e le hanno fatte intravedere in una foto e basta.
OK, thanks.
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Quindi non si può basare una ricerca, quella del SBRG, su dei dati che non sono disponibili. Per questo motivo stiamo rieseguendo le analisi tutte da capo presso un laboratorio del Nord Italia che tu vedi chiaramente comparire sulla home page del sito del SBRG.
Questo laboratorio di materiali grazie alla sua serietà e affidabilità è un laboratorio autorizzato dal Ministero Lavori Pubblici italiano, riconosciuto dal Ministero dell’Università e della Ricerca Scientifica del Governo Italiano e sul quale gravitano più o meno tutte le Università del Nord Est d’Italia.
Per me i loro risultati sono legge.
But, if I undestand well, their analyses are still not available? From what you said on
Ostraka, these analyses are still in progress?
However, you have written a number of times that
1° the conglomerate in which Ravne tunnel is dig was a kind of artificial concrete
2° the megaliths (K2, K4) were not made of natural stone but again of a kind of concrete or ceramics.
If the Torino report was not available, and the analysis of your geologist not finished, on what basis could you affirm that? Did you have access to other analyses? I have studied this question of the available analyses
here, and could never find a single fact that could be used as the slightest evidence for this theory.
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E allora tu maliziosamente domanderai: ma allora su cosa basi la tua convinzione attuale di trovarti di fronte ad una struttura artificiale?
No, my first question was only pertaining to the 'concrete' theory. As you said, one thing at a time !
However, concerning your explanation about the way you have been convinced of the artificial nature of Visocica and Pljesevica, I think it could be honestly summarized by: you have been there, you saw some impressive things, particularly stone 'arrangements', overlapping and aligned squared blocks, and you believe that nature cannot be responsible for that. Are you OK with this summary? Then a few points:
- Here you have a personal belief, that I will not dispute; but you cannot have the thousands of archaeologists in the world come and enter the slit in sonda 4 in order to be convinced, and you shouldn't have to. Archaeologists do not need to visit every archaeological site in the word in order to be convinced of their reality, because there are scientific publications, with which one can assess the validity of the findings and of their interpretations. We are waiting for these scientific publications for the 'pyramids' since 2006; all we have are press releases, You Tube videos, scores of photographs, and a few 'reports' either empty or so flawed that it would be more kind not to mention their authors. That being, I think the healthy state of mind is that of a cautious skepticism, and that your personal conviction, respectable in itself, is not a valid argument. Do you agree?
- Some geologists, among whom the ones who know best the local geology, have seen the same things that you saw; however their conclusion is different from yours. Not to mention Robert Schoch's, see
here for instance Amer Smailbegovic's opinion (in a report that was never published by Mr. Osmanagic), or the official report from Tuzla University. I myself have shown numerous examples of the strange things nature can produce (see the gallery on my site). So again the burden of proof is on you: you affirm these squared blocks are not natural, OK; but how will you prove it?
- it seems that you already admitted that one of the things Mr. Osmanagic claimed was artificial, the 'binding' or 'cement' between the blocks, is in fact a natural deposit of calcium carbonate. Have you considered the possibility that other things he, and you presently, deem artificial, could be in fact natural?
Have you noticed, on this photograph, the presence of ripple-marks on the surface? I hope you don't think these ripple-marks are 'sculptures'? Did you notice, then, that the ripple-marks are in exact continuity from one block to the other? If these blocks were arranged by men, they took an infinite care to lift the blocks from the quarry, then to arrange them
exactly in the same position they had in their natural layer...
Did you also notice that on the left of the third layer, there is a fourth one that has not been cleaned, and that above this layer are more than two meters of thin alternate layers of sandstone, silt or marl? Do you think, like Riccardo Brett, that "although it seems impossible when looking at it, this thin wall of clay is definitively artificial"? (see note 2 in
http://irna.lautre.net/An-outstanding-team-of-experts.html)
Or, if you accept that these multiple layers are of natural origine, as, I think, every geologist except Richard Hoyle would say, do you have an idea of the time necessary to deposit them?
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Per quanto riguarda la struttura dei tunnel di Ravne, penso di aver già scritto abbastanza in almeno una decina di articoli. Sono sicuro che li hai già letti con cura.
Let's leave the tunnel for another time, as you said, one question at a time :-)
Irna